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Career Reshaped Episode 1: How to Reshape Your Career Path for Success
What if reshaping your career isn’t about a fixed plan, but about discovering what truly motivates you?
In this episode of Career Reshaped, hosts Pauline and Natasha open up about their real experiences navigating career shifts beyond the traditional 9-to-5. They explore how embracing imperfection, facing fears, and being honest with yourself are crucial to building a career that fits your values and lifestyle.
You’ll hear how sometimes taking a step back—like studying part-time or learning new skills—can actually be the key to moving forward. They share stories about overcoming doubts, the importance of transferable skills, and how mentorship and networking can open doors in unexpected ways.
This episode is perfect for anyone feeling stuck, overwhelmed by the pressure to “follow the ladder,” or unsure about their next move. It reminds us all that careers don’t have to be linear, and that reshaping yours can mean changing your mindset, your industry, or even just your approach to work.
If you want honest advice and practical steps to find a career that feels both successful and fulfilling, this conversation will inspire you to take that leap—on your own terms.
🎧 Tune in for a down-to-earth talk about courage, clarity, and creating a career path that’s truly yours.
Discussion Overview
Career reshaped is about redefining your career path on your own terms. It can mean changing roles, industries, upskilling, stepping back to move forward, or simply adjusting your mindset. It’s not always a full career change but reshaping parts of your professional life to better fit your values and goals.
Yes, but it’s not perfect. A dream job is one that ticks most of your boxes — where you wake up happy to work most days. There will always be some disliked tasks or challenges, but overall, it should feel meaningful and fulfilling.
Fear of the unknown, fear of financial or time investment, comfort in current roles, and believing it’s “too late” to change can hold people back. Often, the biggest obstacle is the person themselves.
Yes. Sometimes going backward—like studying part-time or taking a less senior role—can be necessary to gain new skills or enter a different industry, ultimately leading to greater growth.
Very important. Transferable skills allow you to move between industries or roles more smoothly. Recognizing and marketing these skills can open up new career opportunities.
Mentors can provide guidance, new perspectives, and encouragement. Networking expands your opportunities, helps you build your personal brand, and can lead to unexpected job offers or collaborations.
A huge role. Being open to imperfection, willing to take risks, and honest with yourself about what you like and don’t like helps you make clearer decisions. Removing societal pressure to follow a set path also helps reduce stress.
Reflect on what you like and dislike about your job, company, manager, and industry. Writing a detailed pros and cons list can reveal whether the issue is your role, workplace, or broader industry. If you’re regularly unhappy or unfulfilled, it may be time for a change.
Not at all. Reshaping can start with small steps—upskilling, building your network, or negotiating new responsibilities. You can gradually pivot while maintaining financial stability.
By allowing flexibility and removing pressure to choose a fixed path early on. Encouraging exploration, supporting part-time or online study, and emphasizing that it’s okay to reshape careers at any age is key.
Be honest about what you enjoy and don’t. Ask for feedback. Explore short courses or certifications. Talk to mentors and managers about new opportunities. Build your LinkedIn presence. And most importantly, start taking small steps instead of waiting for the perfect moment.
Podcast Transcript:
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| 00:00 | imagine if everything was running like a well oiled machine I'm telling you you're not going to ever level up or grow this is what we say is you know |
| 00:07 | career reshaped it's figuring out what it is and after doing all of that you |
| 00:13 | may find out that I'm exactly where I'm meant to be people like to be perfectionists but as soon as you |
| 00:19 | realize that you can't be perfect cuz you're human your life will be a lot more enjoyable because of it and so can |
| 00:25 | your career there is a dream job where it Tis so many of your Bo is where you |
| 00:30 | wake up in the morning happy to go to work if you're waking up in the morning dreading going to work then that's not |
| 00:37 | your dream job welcome to episode one of career |
| 00:43 | reshaped I'm pulling I'm Natasha and we're your co-hosts for this podcast and |
| 00:49 | we are also career coaches with my career angels I think maybe we should |
| 00:54 | tell people a little bit about our story you know if we're going to be doing this podcast and we're going to to take |
| 01:01 | everyone on a journey of other people maybe they should know about our journey too and who who are they listening to |
| 01:07 | and why are they're listening to us what do you think sounds good sounds like a great idea all right so I I can tell |
| 01:13 | from my perspective and then you can tell it from your perspective might be the same might be the same we are |
| 01:18 | sisters after all because we are sisters we can disagree but we don't disagree |
| 01:25 | like normal people like our professionals where we oh yes I understand yes you're right I respect |
| 01:31 | your point of view no we might argue um but you know we we're going to leave it in because we want you to see not only |
| 01:38 | our authentic Sal but the authentic thought process of someone in HR someone |
| 01:45 | who is a career coach and how we process information and our perspectives now we |
| 01:51 | might also be jumping around a bit because why Natasha I have |
| 01:57 | ADHD so I will do my best to Keep On Track and not interrupt Natasha 100 |
| 02:02 | times and stay with topic so the first part is our little introduction just before Co I was ready to go back into |
| 02:11 | the um Market the employment Market because I had taken time off to be at |
| 02:19 | stay at home mom with my second son and it was time and honestly I |
| 02:25 | didn't really want to go back into work but I knew it was time and I just de started to apply for roles and then Co |
| 02:32 | hit and lockdowns hit and I was like oh oh well can't do it anymore to work |
| 02:37 | anyway I can continue rest not that big restful I was kind of relieved anyway |
| 02:44 | because I secretly didn't want to go back into work but you know financially and all of that it was something I had |
| 02:50 | to do and while I was during the lockdowns I was uh taking some online |
| 02:58 | courses to pass the time for fun and these courses weren't anything serious had nothing to do with my career which |
| 03:04 | is by the way uh in human resource management I did a makeup course I did |
| 03:11 | how to grow my hair long course and created my own shampoo and I also did face yoga course so did I did a bit and |
| 03:20 | it got me thinking about I guess courses and careers I think we are quite lucky |
| 03:28 | in this respect love what we do yeah that and understand that not everyone is in that position but that's |
| 03:34 | also the driver the motivating point for us and especially this podcast is that |
| 03:41 | if we can love what we do that means it's possible for others as well and you |
| 03:47 | know when people say oh there's no such thing as a dream job again I don't |
| 03:52 | believe that I don't buy that I I have a different view on that I believe there is such thing as a dream job the thing |
| 04:00 | is we need to be realistic that there's no such thing as a perfect job and what |
| 04:06 | I mean by that is there's not every element of your job is you're going to enjoy and honestly there'll be times |
| 04:13 | where you think it ticks every box and it's a perfect job and then something's going to happen there's always going to be that one person that screws up your |
| 04:19 | day there's always going to be one task that you hate maybe it's even something as it is filing filing could be the |
| 04:25 | thing that you hate the most but you have to do it at the end of each month file all the documents whatever it is so |
| 04:32 | what you consider to be perfect but things are always going to |
| 04:38 | come up so I agree with P there is a dream job where it tick so many of your |
| 04:43 | boxes where you wake up in the morning happy to go to work if you're waking up in the morning dreading going to work |
| 04:51 | then that's not your dream job well this is it or maybe it's the wrong company and this is what we're going to talk about today we're actually going to try |
| 04:57 | to um break down what one we're going to define the topic of reshaped career reshaped um so whilst |
| 05:06 | we will have a lot of guests um on our podcast on our channel uh talking about |
| 05:13 | how they've changed their careers we feel that the first one the very first |
| 05:18 | podcast should be a couple of things one an introduction to us and you get to know us better but to for us to talk |
| 05:24 | about defining our our whole podcast series like what do we mean by reshaped |
| 05:31 | and what we have seen with the obstacles that people are facing and and all of that but um you know there's a lot of |
| 05:39 | factors that could have a job that's being a perfect dream job and I say |
| 05:46 | perfect Loosely here or what is stop you know preventing it from be the right job |
| 05:52 | or we're just in the wrong job Al together but just to go back on to um about you and how you said about me yeah |
| 05:59 | well actually I was going to talk a bit more about you know jobs but yeah okay let's let's let's go let's let's finish our first |
| 06:07 | topic wh back and talk about me um I hope um our listeners are not feeling |
| 06:13 | dizzy because my career in HR I've been able to see a lot of different |
| 06:21 | people's I guess resumés interviews um |
| 06:26 | challenges in leveling up their career careers or or even shifting their |
| 06:33 | careers and the thing is I felt like I could help them but that was not my job |
| 06:38 | my job was not to help them my job was to help the company during coover lockdown and all of that I got like |
| 06:44 | guess inspiration and an an epiphany if you will about me also doing a career |
| 06:54 | shift and staying within the realm of HR um but instead of helping companies |
| 07:02 | helping people individual the individuals because it is possible to |
| 07:07 | have a job that you love now as I said the soci thing is perfect people like to be perfectionists but as soon as you |
| 07:14 | realize that you can't be perfect cuz you're human and that nothing around you |
| 07:21 | can be perfect your life will be a lot more enjoyable because of it and so can your career so you know I guess having |
| 07:28 | those little challenges in life and at work it could |
| 07:33 | be that Karen you know or it could be that project that you just |
| 07:39 | loathe but it also makes what you love so much sweeter and it mixes up your day imagine |
| 07:46 | if everything was running like a well oiled machine I'm telling you you're not going to ever level up or grow because |
| 07:51 | you're not learning from anything you know and I guarantee the people who are who have aspects about their job that |
| 07:58 | they don't like but are in the job that they love would not give up that job even for the crappy |
| 08:05 | parts of it that is what I wanted to say earlier but anyway long story short I decided I wanted to do a uh online |
| 08:12 | courses in resume writing interview skills all of that pitch the idea to Natasha and Natasha's like yeah let |
| 08:19 | let's do it and I was like great we'll do it now my ADHD uh thinking was we'll do it in like |
| 08:27 | h a while next thing I know Natasha's bought a domain name uh connected with |
| 08:33 | web developers I was like this is moving too fast but here we are now we've got our own podcast Natasha your perspective |
| 08:40 | fast forwarding to that point in time we've been talking about starting |
| 08:46 | something together for a long time and I always wanted to do something HR related |
| 08:51 | as well and I've always wanted to help people and improve other people's lives |
| 08:58 | and if that and I have to go with what I know which is resumés interviews |
| 09:03 | LinkedIn careers and talking to people and understanding them and taking deep Dives with them so I thought you know |
| 09:11 | what we've been talking about it for so long why not let's just do it and we we |
| 09:17 | thought about a business name and once we decided on the business name I had to I had to copyright that |
| 09:24 | stuff I mean you can't just leave it for someone else to take so my background so you guys get to know me a littleit bit |
| 09:29 | more is also in human resource management I started in marketing uh was |
| 09:35 | never my passion but it was something that I jumped into straight out of uni because I knew I wanted to go traveling |
| 09:41 | and it was an opportunity to save some money so I did that and then when I got back I transitioned which was difficult |
| 09:49 | at the time and it's probably an example we're going to use in one of our episodes later down the track about |
| 09:55 | career changes and our own personal stories because we both did do career |
| 10:00 | changes so we have ourselves as an examples uh but I got into HR and I |
| 10:08 | loved the the people aspect of it and it's probably because throughout my |
| 10:13 | whole childhood I actually wanted to be a teacher I wanted to be yeah a primary school teacher and know crazy you |
| 10:20 | created your own Primary School created my own school yeah it's absolutely my |
| 10:25 | hem I don't know how the teachers do it my I respect teacher did you see that |
| 10:31 | real that I sent you about um the equivalent of three kids to day |
| 10:37 | financially is the same as 10 10 kids back in the day yes I know so and I've |
| 10:45 | got four so yeah for me and a dog uh anyways so home with |
| 10:52 | four kids and I was working casually from home when Pauline called about |
| 10:59 | about this idea but and and it was what I was saying about the people aspect of |
| 11:06 | it so I knew that anything that I do it needs I need to be able to connect with people I need to be able to talk to |
| 11:12 | people and I needed something for me at the time being locked down with four little ones I was losing my mind and I |
| 11:21 | needed to have as my husband calls an adult conversation Not Just 2 plus 2 is |
| 11:26 | four and you know a for apple so I jumped at the idea it was like yes |
| 11:32 | this is for me this is something I'm going to do so that's how we started |
| 11:37 | we've come from both of us come from different uh Industries we've between us |
| 11:43 | there's accounting ID distribution construction school |
| 11:50 | yeah customer service programming |
| 11:55 | um oh my gosh so many so many different IND Industries um but also rol within |
| 12:02 | the industries as well so yeah so this is why we knew we could help a lot of |
| 12:08 | people and that was our goal our goal has always been to help people and what we value the most is honesty yeah so we |
| 12:16 | really value that so sometimes that can come out quite |
| 12:21 | blunt not mine I'm nice on my end I'm I'm a lot more blunt yeah that's true |
| 12:27 | but I we figure that it's better to be honest rather than you know say |
| 12:33 | something that's not true and then it bites Us in the butt later but we also ask our clients to give that courtesy |
| 12:40 | back and be honest with us as well and and you know sometimes yeah my feelings |
| 12:45 | get hurt but I really appreciate the honesty because that's another way that we can level up in our careers and this |
| 12:53 | is how I can do my job better is by hearing someone else's feedback now feedback doesn't have to be you know |
| 12:59 | Everyone's a Critic you know and everyone's negative and you're bad and |
| 13:05 | start thinking that you can't do something but it's feedback to give another perspective and looking at |
| 13:12 | something and giving you the chance to learn learn something in a different |
| 13:19 | way so you can apply different skills or different way of thinking and that could |
| 13:25 | just be the little Gap in the door that you need need to be able to get through |
| 13:30 | to the next level so there's so many different ways in in I guess evolving |
| 13:36 | your career and it doesn't and I think people feel like so black and white it's like okay I did this job and then I get |
| 13:43 | promoted to the next level and then the next level and then the next level and then eventually you know I'll be a |
| 13:49 | manager or you know a director or something like that no other ways to get |
| 13:54 | there faster and it has to stay in the same company and there's so many other avenues that can be taken and shifts and |
| 14:03 | changes and sometimes it's a matter of going backwards and I guess this is what brings us to what what our podcast is |
| 14:11 | about career reshaped and what does that mean what questions you need to ask what |
| 14:16 | paths that you can take that's right and the thing is we we help a lot of people with career change but when we are |
| 14:23 | talking about career reshaped it's not just change change yes uh career shift |
| 14:30 | yes but it's also um people that just want to take the next level in their |
| 14:36 | career uh want to learn new and more skills um it's people that want |
| 14:43 | o move to say a management role or even shift Industries so it's the same thing |
| 14:49 | for different Industries and a lot of people feel like oh I'm pitching hold I'm stuck in this industry and we can't |
| 14:56 | move and we've got clients like that we' got clients that for example in um product management and they're doing it |
| 15:02 | for one industry but they don't want to be in this industry anymore they want to do product management for another |
| 15:08 | industry but they've got those obstacles where they don't understand the industry um you know so but that doesn't mean |
| 15:16 | that that's it that that they are pitch and hold and tip cast if you will in one industry |
| 15:24 | and you're done like I I used to work for a lot of um call centers different call centers I loved it and I was happy |
| 15:32 | to stay in the call center industry because I understood it I enjoyed it I |
| 15:37 | like the people um and the culture of call centers that's just me so I would |
| 15:43 | have been happy to to stay in that kind of environment but I can imagine that so |
| 15:49 | many people would not want that then maybe want something a bit more |
| 15:54 | corporate maybe legal maybe you know it doesn't matter what really you know |
| 15:59 | education industry like I worked in the in the education industry and it just it wasn't for me right but this is the |
| 16:07 | point is is that you can either love the industry but want to change the role or vice versa it's not just about a |
| 16:16 | complete career shift well we've got some stories we want we've got some stories we want to share about people |
| 16:21 | and their changes but also the obstacles that they faced and we feel that with these three particular stories that we |
| 16:28 | want to share that you're going to resonate with at least one of them when it comes to an |
| 16:35 | obstacle that's preventing you from a change and our whole premise is to tell |
| 16:41 | you that as challenging as some of these obstacles are they're not impossible and |
| 16:49 | the as cliche as this is going to sound the biggest obstacle is you um Natasha I |
| 16:55 | wanted to tell you uh I didn't I don't think I've ever mentioned this to you before but one time I was at a school |
| 17:01 | pickup and I was talking to a mom and she was telling me about her husband and |
| 17:07 | how he doesn't like his job at all and I said well why doesn't he change she's |
| 17:12 | like no no no no no he can't he he's too old now for a change and mind you this |
| 17:18 | man's probably in his 40s he's too old now for a change he knows this Ro this |
| 17:24 | the wife saying this is what the wife he wanted a change she said no because no |
| 17:29 | you're too old in your 40 that um you know this there's |
| 17:35 | stability there's a comfort level why rock the boat for the |
| 17:42 | family I get it that's her fear that's her fear and and and that is something |
| 17:48 | that a lot of people do fear and it is yes of course it's something to consider |
| 17:53 | where are you financially can you have a break off work to transition to something else to it could be that maybe |
| 18:00 | you need a upskill study a little bit can you juggle that with part-time study |
| 18:07 | in the evenings online study while you're working or can you maybe get a |
| 18:13 | part-time job how's the family going to cope so absolutely these are important |
| 18:18 | things to consider but you should consider them you should think about |
| 18:24 | them you should talk to your spouse you should write down all of the things that you're |
| 18:29 | to really have an educated decision on whether you should make a change or take |
| 18:36 | steps to make a change because by just saying no you can't we're comfortable |
| 18:42 | that's it there's so much that you can miss out on and you could then start |
| 18:47 | having resentment in your situation I again I've have several of cliches uh |
| 18:53 | today but where there's a will there really is a way and the thing is a lot of people don't realize that say for |
| 19:00 | example you need to go and study but you don't have the funds to do that there are subsidies government subsid |
| 19:07 | especially in Australia in a lot of various Industries the government will cover your studies but there are other |
| 19:15 | things that you can do there are free courses that you can sign up for um |
| 19:21 | maybe they're not certified courses but they're enough to get you certain skills I think a lot of people also forget that |
| 19:28 | they have transferable skills right there's things that if you have the |
| 19:33 | capacity you can Shadow someone or ask for Mentor or depending of course on the |
| 19:40 | change itself you could talk to management if you got a really good manager who's will support your career |
| 19:48 | can give you some additional tasks or projects so like for example when I was |
| 19:54 | working in construction we had someone in on the factory floors and they really wanted to be be |
| 20:02 | in um like programming like some computer programming when they were I don't know the technical side I don't |
| 20:09 | know they wanted to be in a different department a completely different department now he was a really good |
| 20:15 | employee he worked hard he was loyal the company actually decided that you know |
| 20:20 | what we we want to help you so once a week he would move and work and learn on |
| 20:28 | the job with this programming Department after a few months they gave him a permanent |
| 20:35 | full-time role within that department the thing see that's amazing yeah and |
| 20:40 | and it also shows it's just about um asking sometimes or showing an interest sometimes if if you're working for a |
| 20:47 | good organization that is supportive like that then they can do that of course |
| 20:52 | they need to be able to have the ability to do that the budget to train you and have you not in your position position |
| 20:59 | for that time but if you're able to get that then it's amazing and he must have |
| 21:05 | been so happy and it only in increases the Loyalty that this person now has to |
| 21:10 | that company as well it's a winwin she was studying part-time in the evenings as well so it's not like it was just a |
| 21:18 | random shift without thought you know he was studying there was his goal um yeah |
| 21:24 | but that's the thing it it costs nothing to ask if you ask and the answer is no |
| 21:31 | well nothing's changed but what if the answer's yes everything can change so |
| 21:37 | there are paths there are options and this brings me to um I guess a story of |
| 21:46 | um and honestly because for privacy Reasons I'm going to change |
| 21:52 | names um but in terms of not want the story is about the |
| 21:59 | of going backwards a little bit in your career and taking that time to study and |
| 22:06 | whatnot so um I had a friend uh we'll call her Tanya and I she well actually |
| 22:14 | she worked across the road from me when I was working in um |
| 22:20 | HR years ago for this company Exel I think it was anyway it doesn't matter we |
| 22:27 | would meet up for lunch every now and then okay and Tanya was an environmental |
| 22:33 | engineer and her job was I guess two fold one part was quite |
| 22:39 | physical she would have to drive all the way into the like a country area by herself take out this heavy equipment |
| 22:47 | put into the Earth dig dig the Earth take it back to the lab test it and then |
| 22:54 | write a report is this good soil not good soil can you build not build whatnot now she loved the testing aspect of it |
| 23:02 | but the driving out by herself she started to get freaked out a little bit |
| 23:08 | being a single woman on the roads in the country alone you know but also the |
| 23:14 | physical side of it was starting to become quite tax wear and hair you know |
| 23:19 | so she was considering changing careers and she still wanted to stay like in an |
| 23:25 | engineering environment but the thing because it's a very different engineering she had to go back to |
| 23:32 | restudy now it wouldn't be a full degree she'd have a lot of credit but it's about a year but that was not even the |
| 23:39 | biggest concern the biggest concern was is that she will still have to then start almost all over again in her |
| 23:44 | career which she was quite established by that point she was getting a certain salary and she didn't |
| 23:52 | want to go backwards now I did try to explain to her that sometimes you do need to take a few steps back to have |
| 24:00 | massive strides forward corre 100% now these |
| 24:06 | conversations went on for a few years how many |
| 24:12 | years at least two three right least three um she she was |
| 24:19 | my friend so this is she mentioned it before we started working across the road from each other then when we were |
| 24:26 | meeting up for lunch every time we met up for lunch this was the type of conversation and then when I left the |
| 24:33 | company and every now and then we spoke it was still kind of a topical conversation |
| 24:39 | until in the end in the end she did um resign and moved to another country to |
| 24:47 | live with her dad and EV then she came back to Australia but andway the point of this story is the fact that if she |
| 24:56 | just did what she wanted to do originally which was take a step back do the cause |
| 25:04 | and then start effectively again even though it wouldn't be 100% all over gain |
| 25:10 | entry level yeah entry Lev time three years went by she would she would have |
| 25:15 | been where she wanted to be to be she took three years talking about it and |
| 25:22 | nothing happened in those three years she could have taken action right 100% |
| 25:27 | which goes back to to the woman you mentioned with the husband oh he's he's too old we're comfortable like okay yeah |
| 25:34 | but if if he starts studying parttime or even takes a step back for a year you |
| 25:43 | then progress faster and he could be more successful in his new chosen career path you don't know that you could be |
| 25:49 | even more comfortable so it's it becomes that you get stuck in not doing what you |
| 25:55 | wanted to do and think of what is this podcast is your go-to guide for landing |
| 26:02 | your dream job think of it as your free Master Class packed with all the tips advice and strategy you need to take |
| 26:08 | your career to the next level in each episode we will dive deep into those |
| 26:14 | inspiring stories of professionals who've been exactly where you are today |
| 26:20 | searching for their next big career move from nailing the job hunt to securing that perfect role we'll explore their |
| 26:27 | challenges breakthroughs and the lessons they've learned along the way plus you'll hear how they've grown personally |
| 26:34 | and professionally throughout their Journey I'm ping I'm Natasha and we are your career hosts and we couldn't be |
| 26:42 | more excited for you to join us a along in this journey so welcome to Career |
| 26:48 | rehap where your dream job is Within Reach I feel that if you were really |
| 26:54 | genuinely motivated you can make it work so and |
| 27:00 | why why I say this is because when I was um I did two courses as you know I got a |
| 27:06 | of degree and as I love to tell everyone I have a master's degree |
| 27:12 | too but anyway so no look I'm all to be proud of something absolutely you |
| 27:19 | started really hard to get there so and I you know and that's another thing like I know we're bouncing around a lot but |
| 27:25 | like why why the master's degree is because my first degree was in e-commerce and the reason I did |
| 27:31 | e-commerce was because I thought well that's the way of the world technology business that's a smart |
| 27:38 | move but I fell into HR and I wanted |
| 27:43 | to formalize my career in it and hence the Masters in in HR but when I was |
| 27:50 | doing my first degree in e-commerce there was an a mature age |
| 27:56 | students right and there was man I would say maybe in his 40s and he was opening up a new business |
| 28:05 | a small business for himself and he decided to take this |
| 28:10 | eCommerce business degree to learn how to run a |
| 28:17 | business now he didn't have to go to these Extreme Measures there's other |
| 28:22 | ways got a short course online of other things but I think May back in the day |
| 28:27 | there wasn't any short course online let's be honest I don't want to tell people my age but back in the day I was |
| 28:33 | going to say you're making you're making a think about it do the math how many |
| 28:38 | years ago was this my first degree yeah I start calculating do the math guess her |
| 28:46 | age many years this is was like e-commerce degree came out it was the |
| 28:52 | start of the internet okay basically but any case and then when I was doing my |
| 28:59 | masters there was a woman she just gave birth and was doing night classes and |
| 29:07 | master it was the same when I was at Uni I I I started my degree I actually |
| 29:14 | started in accounting heading towards so not education not HR accounting um |
| 29:21 | didn't want to actually get into it but I was good at it and it was family |
| 29:27 | business and and that was a path laid out for me and there were a lot |
| 29:33 | of space it was not a good path laid out for me uh there but there were a lot of |
| 29:40 | the older aged students that were coming that were restarting just wanting to do |
| 29:48 | something different and they were in accounting they were in the math classes they were in the hii classes in the |
| 29:54 | marketing classes and that was so many years ago and it's just becoming more |
| 30:01 | and more popular now and and it goes on to what we were talking about what does |
| 30:07 | re career reshaped mean we're not saying changing your career completely like |
| 30:14 | some of these people are doing but it could be upskilling your career like this guy that started the business doing |
| 30:19 | the Ecommerce course to really understand that it could be like |
| 30:24 | Pauline's friend who would have gone to study some something similar and gone |
| 30:30 | backwards a little bit but gone forwards and it comes down to what part of your |
| 30:35 | career do you think you need to reshape that's it if any yeah it doesn't have to |
| 30:41 | be the whole career you're right and it doesn't even have to be the career your |
| 30:47 | exactly if any doesn't have to be the career it could be just your situation it could be maybe the company you need |
| 30:54 | to change the industry or you know you it or your mindset too sometimes um but |
| 31:02 | there's something that you had said that I guess triggered a point an idea you |
| 31:07 | said that you were you it's a path that was laid out to you right yes and this |
| 31:14 | is where I am going to say that our careers are in our own hands and you |
| 31:19 | might say well easy for you to say like I did take the my career into my own |
| 31:25 | hands we have the same parents okay and |
| 31:31 | our parents also try to give a path for me I don't know what |
| 31:38 | happens today in our year 12 and deciding which university and courses |
| 31:44 | you go to but back in my day and this must still be the same I don't know would get like a |
| 31:49 | big book of all thees Alles in there and what did my parents our parents do they |
| 31:57 | took that book closed the door thumbed all the way through flicked |
| 32:03 | through the book found some courses for me came to me and told me what I was |
| 32:09 | going to be doing no problems I also had my chance |
| 32:15 | with this book and I saw things that I wanted to do and then I don't again I |
| 32:21 | don't know how this works now but then we had to go online so I guess not true |
| 32:27 | ear with the internet but listen in year 12 my subjects no was it year 12 no year |
| 32:34 | 10 I had computer class it class and there was literally us sending emails to |
| 32:40 | one another we got to go in and pick like from preference one 2 three four up |
| 32:45 | to six or something like that of the universities and so parents watched me |
| 32:50 | put put it in what I wanted and at the bottom I was allowed to put in my |
| 32:56 | preferences an hour before the deadline of your |
| 33:02 | choices were put in there was locked for good I quickly snuck in went onto the |
| 33:08 | computer changed the preferences order put in what I wanted got into what I |
| 33:15 | wanted Mom and Dad forgot what they wanted they were just so excited I got into un |
| 33:21 | oh I think they think that this is what they chose for me right so |
| 33:29 | yes well I I was more of the rule follower and did what what was laid out |
| 33:36 | but I I was allowed to put the courses I wanted next but unfortunately I got |
| 33:43 | accounting I got into account told you if we could give a tip to parents |
| 33:48 | now it really doesn't matter whatever they get in I mean okay no I will |
| 33:55 | rephrase that okay if they want to be a doctor yeah if they want to be you know |
| 34:01 | some sort of a specialist a surgeon even an accountant but even accountant you don't have to go straight |
| 34:07 | to a CPA but it's those really high level rules where you have to study sure |
| 34:12 | they have to work hard they have to put it on their list and they have to go to UNI everything else if your student your |
| 34:18 | your child wants to be in business an entrepreneur wants to isn't sure what they want it doesn't really matter then |
| 34:25 | they can decide later yes because there's a chance that they will then go back and study something else like |
| 34:31 | Pauline did like the this man that was studying e-commerce like so many of our |
| 34:37 | clients that go back to study and it doesn't necessarily mean a 4-year University degree it could be a oneyear |
| 34:45 | online course that they can do part-time and they can do that while earning an |
| 34:50 | income so it's the pressure on kids is unnecessary |
| 34:56 | and it if they can do that at a young age then you can reshape at any age and |
| 35:04 | choose what you want at any age but again it comes down to what we were saying about the questions how do you |
| 35:12 | know what part needs to be reshape so it's as simple as writing you know a Pros cons list or likes dislike list of |
| 35:20 | your company so the entire organization as is what you like what you don't like |
| 35:26 | then go down to your m management what you like what you don't like and if you've got more than one manager split |
| 35:31 | that up too you might have a supervisor and then a manager above that and then you have the job itself your duties and |
| 35:39 | first you need to actually think about what are my duties because everybody says oh I do this so great yeah you do |
| 35:45 | this but narrow it down further what are all the little things that you do like I mentioned earlier on filing you know is |
| 35:52 | that in the likes or dislikes column so once you have all that laid out in front |
| 35:58 | of you and that it will take you some time because you do need to dig deep you don't want it to be just that you know |
| 36:05 | three things in each column you haven't actually then thought about it enough you're not actually feeling your |
| 36:12 | feelings to be honest how often do we as people stop and |
| 36:19 | really analyze ourselves to that level I mean a lot of people a lot of us it's SC |
| 36:24 | look it's scary I don't know be that vulnerable with even with |
| 36:30 | ourselves you know about what really drives us to find the time to sit with |
| 36:35 | yourself and to do it yeah as well but it's this is I guess the the it is a you |
| 36:43 | do need to think deeply about it but it's not you know your own thinking about what you like and dislike in |
| 36:50 | general so if you have a topic it will make it easier for you so if you focus on my job my company my supervisor |
| 36:58 | manager boss whatever it is then it makes it simpler for you to write it |
| 37:04 | down yeah have a long list and then have a look which list has the most cons |
| 37:12 | maybe the job itself is just full of likes the whole thing's likes and your manager all likes but the company has |
| 37:19 | this long list of dislikes because there too much politics to us drama that reminds me of one of our clients she |
| 37:25 | came for career change and it turned out that after spending time with us it was you know |
| 37:31 | what I just don't like the industry that I'm doing it in the industry itself is very toxic doesn't matter which company |
| 37:39 | I go to it's the industry but when she really thought about it the Jud is she liked the job she like not even who she |
| 37:48 | was doing it with that was one part of it but she realized that theti industry is like this correct and that was going |
| 37:55 | through our whole career change process with her and and we tell our clients at the end |
| 38:00 | of it if it ends up being that you actually don't want a proper career change in terms of your title let's just |
| 38:07 | say your title that's okay because changing Industries is still can be a |
| 38:13 | big change too because you need to learn a whole new set of skills you need to learn a whole new industry the lingo |
| 38:19 | what it's all about so it's still a big change so don't feel that oh I've you |
| 38:26 | know I'm not really changing it's you know not a big deal maybe I'll just stick where I am it's still a change and |
| 38:31 | that change could make a huge impact for you it could make everything so much better I told you I love the industry of |
| 38:39 | call centers uh the culture everything about call centers and I work for a few now I worked for an audio visual company |
| 38:47 | and I was doing HR there and I loathed it every day was horrible I was living |
| 38:56 | for the weekend and the only thing that made my days exciting was two what am I |
| 39:01 | going to wear that day and what's for lunch that's it so I CAU off turned |
| 39:09 | around and said my jez maybe ha charge is not for me but no I knew it's not HR |
| 39:16 | even though I was doing Recruitment and all of that writing policies all that it was for who and where I was doing it |
| 39:25 | yeah correct that's right and so this is this is what we say is you know career reshaped it's |
| 39:34 | figuring out what it is and after doing all of that I mean you may find out that |
| 39:40 | I'm exactly where I'm meant to be doing exactly where I meant to be doing it and I'm happy and that would be absolutely |
| 39:48 | amazing and we'd actually love to hear your story how you got there and you know how all the stars aligned and got |
| 39:55 | you to where you are because that will be a great story to have and to share with others but if it's not and if you |
| 40:03 | find that doing that is there are questions still this is what our podcast |
| 40:08 | is about this is what we're going to share with you and like uh we said earlier having the the people come in |
| 40:17 | having people come in that have experienced it and we will try to bring |
| 40:22 | in people that have gone through career changes we'll try to be industry experts you you know recruiters hiring managers |
| 40:30 | the whole shebang and pick their brands and hopefully we find people that are |
| 40:36 | aligned to the industries and roles that you're in as well because we're going to try to do it nice and wide and Broad so |
| 40:43 | we've mentioned you know how to figure out some questions you could ask yourself to |
| 40:49 | figure out whether you need a reshape or not and we've mentioned what it could be look what it could look like it could |
| 40:56 | just be having an updated resume on hand somebody head hunts you on LinkedIn and they need you to have an updated resume |
| 41:03 | and it could be a slightly different role that comes up that could be a reshape uh networking on LinkedIn that |
| 41:09 | is constantly reshaping your career because you're constantly expanding yourself expanding your network which is |
| 41:16 | building your career you don't realize it but it is it actually really is you're becoming an expert in what you're |
| 41:22 | doing and getting your brand out there your brand being you and and it can have |
| 41:28 | a huge influence and a huge impact on what you're doing and the same with we |
| 41:34 | had a client that came to us for interview skills coaching simply because she wanted to upskill herself in that |
| 41:41 | part of her career she wasn't actually going for interview she just said I want to be upskilled I want to be able to |
| 41:48 | talk confidently about myself that's and that was her way to do it yes and once |
| 41:53 | you can figure out what it is career changes transition Step Up step down |
| 41:58 | promotions negotiation then you go to the next part which is what is stopping you right and |
| 42:05 | a few yeah and a few of those things that were mentioned before fear fear |
| 42:11 | could be stopping you of the unknown the unknown of what your transferable skills are maybe the |
| 42:19 | unknown of what you even want to do you just know you don't want to be doing this but what what else is what else is |
| 42:25 | out there what would right what would I like to do but also there's I guess not just the unknown but fear of financial |
| 42:33 | investments and Time Investments fear of making a mistake there's a lot of fear |
| 42:39 | surrounding it I I feel that that's the biggest obstacle I think everything stems from Fear really yeah yeah |
| 42:48 | absolutely and then it's the being comfortable which we've already discussed being comfortable as well so |
| 42:55 | that's and there's nothing wrong with being comfortable that's the thing like don't get us wrong if you're comfortable |
| 43:01 | and you you're happy with where you are it's great you don't need you don't |
| 43:06 | have to this okay one thing I don't like is the society makes us believe that we |
| 43:12 | need to go to the highest level possible that we all need to become leaders and |
| 43:20 | and directors and inventors and all all of that we don't that a lot of pressure |
| 43:28 | and if that is not what drives you that's not your passion and this is where the well what you were saying |
| 43:34 | Natasha the what your lies dislikes not just about the work you do but you in |
| 43:40 | general what what drives you what motivates you as a person and that doesn't always have to be a job and so |
| 43:50 | if you are actually happy with where you are and maybe the reshaping is reshaping like I mentioned before your thought |
| 43:56 | process your mind take away that pressure it doesn't have to be so |
| 44:02 | serious life's already challenging as it is why are we adding another layer to it unnecessarily |
| 44:10 | the layer is necessary if that's where you want to go and be then yes you got |
| 44:15 | to put those steps in place but again this hustle culture is |
| 44:22 | also I don't I don't like it I don't believe in it I feel like that's one way to burn out now if you like hustling if |
| 44:30 | you like pushing yourself to a limit you should then do that but if you need to |
| 44:37 | take it step by step then you do that but as long as you are not sitting there |
| 44:43 | doing nothing with your life and I mean that in terms of even Hobbies or passions or |
| 44:49 | what drives you if for example you're like you know what I've got this accounts position and I'm happy with it |
| 44:56 | it's comfortable you know I'm getting enough income to survive and mortgage but my real passion is Art I enjoy it |
| 45:03 | well then go do that and level up there learn new skills don't just sit there |
| 45:09 | and going Netflix and chill which by the way is nothing wrong with that either |
| 45:15 | but no but you're absolutely right I mean I there's a lot of hobbies I start |
| 45:20 | and don't necessarily finished but um you know I I I always wanted to get a sewing |
| 45:30 | machine and I got one years ago I got one secondhand and I never used it for about two years and |
| 45:37 | then I think a year ago I saw someone advertising sewing lessons and I just |
| 45:44 | thought yep I'm going to do it and I took my secondhand machine there and it did die because I didn't use it for two |
| 45:50 | years and apparently you meant to use your machines often so that the oil like a car like a car uh |
| 45:58 | but I picked that up and you know I do have a goal of sewing my kids clothes |
| 46:03 | and all of that but I can do little things now and I've helped some friends and cousins out with sewing some stuff for them and it's something that I do |
| 46:11 | outside of work and being a mom and all of that but it is a hobby and if I |
| 46:20 | wanted to it is one that I could turn into a profession one day I don't want to but it's I could and just like you |
| 46:26 | were saying you know if it you artistic and you want to do that upskill yourself |
| 46:32 | to do that and you never know where that can lead it doesn't mean quit your job and go learn graphic design keep working |
| 46:40 | but learn graic graphic design you never know you could start designing things for people designing |
| 46:48 | even birthday cards as a minimum editing photos doing Billboards you don't you |
| 46:53 | just don't know where these little up skills can take you not all of our |
| 47:00 | podcasts are going to have you know guests on there because we |
| 47:07 | are the guests we are the professionals and we would like to talk about our experiences as well and share some |
| 47:15 | stories with you from our clients and and friends and the people we know but |
| 47:21 | it's also about we're going to also segment some of our topics to just say |
| 47:28 | resume only and how to um talk about uh |
| 47:33 | your transferable skills so how do how do you write a resume when you are doing a career |
| 47:39 | change how do you write a resume when you want to go to the next level now I know that we've got some clients that're |
| 47:45 | like look I want to apply for a management role but I don't have the experience so I don't know probably |
| 47:51 | can't then can I like of course you can you know like oh I want my resume to |
| 47:56 | sound like I'm a leader but I'm not a leader like why can't you do that of |
| 48:01 | you can how are you ever going to get there if you [Music] don't put yourself in that position to |
| 48:08 | get there so you know so and we're going to do the same with your interviews with your LinkedIn with studies and where to |
| 48:17 | study and and um how to find courses that are within your budget within your |
| 48:23 | timetable cuz today you know it's not it's not like you have to sit they're in the classroom for 3 years that that's |
| 48:29 | gone Co wasn't great but some good things has come from it and the way we |
| 48:35 | can learn information is so much better it's more affordable and more accessible we can dedicate an hour a week or an |
| 48:43 | hour night to doing a short course and and getting to the next level you know so these are |
| 48:50 | the things that we are also going to be talking about and as I said we've also got some stories |
| 48:57 | our live stories other people's stories to hopefully Inspire motivate or guide |
| 49:04 | as a cautionary tail look we know this is more of a sit down have a cup of |
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| 49:16 | that you still walk away with something from it whether it's motivation whether it's ideas whether it's inspiration or |
| 49:24 | whether it's giving you the opportunity to sit and really think about yourself |
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